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 Post subject: To hang or not to hang...and more Qs
PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:50 am 
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I killed and dressed a couple of cockerels on Wednesday. The first one was about 6 months old and the one I took photos of was 8 months old -- the Brahma / Orpington X.

After their heads were removed, each was hung upside down for around 45 minutes before I dipped them in the hot water. See one here.

Each was a bit stiff which made it difficult to immerse them properly and then later upon cooking the big boy, his legs were sticking up so high I had to cook him on his side.

See him naked and hot here.

I'm guessing if I'd left them long enough they'd have become limp again, but wouldn't that mean that decomposition had begun?

Should I hang them at all between killing and dipping?

Should I dip in cold water after the hot?

What is the likely cause/s of the skin tearing when I removed some sections of feathers?

Breast meat was white, but leg meat was brown. Is that likely due to breed, preparation or cooking?

Thanks in advance.


Charles



P.S. - The stock pot in the photo is about 15lt, so isn't as small as he made it look.


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wow, greenaus, can't really help you much with this, just wanted to commend you on doing the deed, I still have issues will it. My brother instructed me on how to do it and he did say if skin tears of it means you had it in the hot water to long, and also it is fine to rest till it is limp again. I also read a really good book"a guide to raising chickens" by Gail Damerow, which had good instructions on slaughtering amongst other things. Good luck, it looked like a meal and a half in any case.
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greenaus,
this is an excellent article on prepping birds for killing. by the sounds of this article, i would suggest you don't need to hang the bird per se, just rest it after you have cleaned the bird up. hope this is of some use to you.
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Thanks guys


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hey greenaus, as you said the bird was still stiff when you cooked it, how was the meat, tender?? or a bit tough?


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Those guys were a little tough. Breast meat wasn't too bad, though. I did another guy a couple of days ago and his thighs and wings are in the freezer. I used his breast meat for a red curry. My biggest problem with him was ripping his skin off while plucking.

But, now that I've read the article suggested by kwinagi, I will do a much better job next time.

What I did Thursday that I won't do next time...
1. I chopped the head off...thus tightening the feathers
2. I boiled the water, brought the stock pot down the back and had the bird in the water within a couple of minutes. The water was too hot.

Instead, I will dislocate the neck, allow it to bleed out into its neck area for a few minutes, then dip it in hot (not boiling) water.

When I'm done, I will leave him in the fridge for 24-48 hours before cooking or freezing.

I'll also worry a bit less about fattening my boys and will also be sure they fast for 24 hours before I kill them.

I might also do as the article suggests and kill them as soon as they begin crowing, even though that may mean a smaller bird.


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thought as much, in my book I remembered it saying if you don't let it rest , the meat is a bit less tender. I still find it hard to do it as all my birds are hand raised in the house, and largest thing i have killed(meant to kill) is a big toad or maybe a big bream. I know there is nothing wrong with it but I have tried but chickened out (pardon the pun) My wife will not eat anything she has named so I more any roos along, I envy your stomach in both ways, hehehe.

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nevit wrote:
or maybe a big bream. ... I envy your stomach.


I envy your fishing. ;-)

I used chicken gut for bait on Friday when I took two of my girls fishing between Fernvale and Lowood. I got lots of nibbles, but all I caught was one little fish maybe 10cm long.

I'm no fish expert...perch maybe...or a tiny baby bass or cod.

At least I know the chicken gut works. And, I know where to get it. :lol:


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For a group of people that breed, keep and love poultry this seems like a very violent thread!

I'm afraid I'm a softie too and will only kill an animal to releave suffering from disease of severe injury.
Even though I got the poops with the agressive rooster and hacked off his spurs with a wire cutter :twisted: . He deserved it for the big hole he left in my leg - funnily enough today he left me alone 8) .


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fuzzy_dragonfly wrote:
For a group of people that breed, keep and love poultry this seems like a very violent thread!


I threw the fish back though.


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