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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:50 pm 
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Well this one has only offered helpful info and real life experiences from breeding guinea fowls in australia so to me not all sites have "not so helpful information" this one doesn't


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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Amity, you are correct of course & as such I apologise for singling you out. I have edited above post to reflect same.

Back on topic; Cinnamon guinea fowls to Silver guinea fowls!


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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Here are just 4 link that will again explain. I am not going over and over the same things like a scratched record.

http://www.birdfarm.bravepages.com/sexlinkx.html

http://www.guineafowlinternational.org/ ... netics.php

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8212

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10520

That tells me nothing that I haven't already read & to be directed to it is "going over and over the same things like a scratched record"


Please read through carefully as all the answers are there for you to read but please take your time and let it be absorbed

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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 6:12 pm 
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Ace Ventura wrote:
Because I breed them and so I know how mine breed ;)

You havn't adequately addressed my question Ace? I don't believe you have fully understood what has been asked? I did ask that you think about it but clearly you haven't!

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Ace, what makes you so sure that the "Silver" trait is the result of one discrete mutation & not polygenic in nature? Think about it!

Can you elaborate? Anything? What makes you so sure that the "Silver" trait is the result of one discrete mutation & not polygenic in nature? Because you breed them & you know how yours breed doesn't suffice!

Could you outline the genetic reasoning for your breeding outcomes? That may assist my understanding?


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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Ace, what makes you so sure that the "Silver" trait is the result of one discrete mutation & not polygenic in nature? Think about it!


What makes you so sure its not monogenic in nature? Think about it!

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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Very very good Ace & I am impressed; in answer there are some indicators to be found, a couple of which you have mentioned yourself on a couple of occasions I believe. Can you think of them? Keep in mind, this reply isn't meant to "best" you & is designed to help. But I do think individuals need to reason through this to aid understanding & acceptance. I have confidence in you & know you can!

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Ace, I know you believe that the gene for Cinnamon trait is sex-linked (as do others & that is OK). And I know that some others think it not so (& that is OK), but put these differences asside for the moment if you will. If the factor for the Cinnamon trait is recessive (as most including myself understand that it is), what does this mean for a Cinnamon bird (regardless of mode of transmission as mentioned)? This isn't a trick question but thinking about it may help.

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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Ace Ventura wrote:
drayllor wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Here are just 4 link that will again explain. I am not going over and over the same things like a scratched record.

http://www.birdfarm.bravepages.com/sexlinkx.html

http://www.guineafowlinternational.org/ ... netics.php

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8212

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=10520

That tells me nothing that I haven't already read & to be directed to it is "going over and over the same things like a scratched record"


Please read through carefully as all the answers are there for you to read but please take your time and let it be absorbed


I'm no expert but I get it Ace clear as a bell to me :-D
Cheers Drew Smith

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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Back on topic & a question for Drew; if you see it all "as clear as a bell" , could you please explain your views on the benefits of breeding Cinnamon to Silver Guineas, including potential breeding outcomes & hidden recessive factor influence?


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 Post subject: Re: cinnamon guinea fowls to silver guinea fowls
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Sex linked to Sex linked = Sex linked ;)

Ok you can have a break :lol:
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