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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:00 pm 
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These were willow legged buttercups that I bred, but now I am struggling to get the willow to stick beyond 6 weeks.

The original hen.

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And the cockeral that got to Queensland but never came back.

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 Post subject: Re: Willow Legs
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Hi byhookorchook,

Your girl looks amazing, fantastic looking shank colour! Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you finding its all the offspring that are loosing the colour or is it mainly the boys? I read an article recently about an inhibitor of dermal melanin describe by Hutt and that it was sex linked. The females ended up with the willow legs and the boys dipped out, but this was only when they put a bird without willow legs together with one that had them, and since the originals had all willow legs this probably isnt the case. I dont know if you introduced a male or not but I have read that if the male doesnt have the id+ gene mated to a willow legged female the chicks wont be willows. Sorry Im no help at all really! :lol: I hope the answer is a simple one for you. :-D


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Now you have me worried because of my three chicks (at 3 weeks this Saturday), two have willow legs and one has yellow. I'll keep you posted on their sex. I was thinking two pullets (willow) and a rooster (yellow) but nothing is happening with combs yet so maybe 3 pullets. At the moment the willow colour is good and I even have a yellow sole on one of them.

Time will tell I guess but I think Jack may have a dark legged cockerel so I might try that next if I can obtain a light legged female to go with him.

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AuntyAustralorp wrote:
Hi byhookorchook,

Your girl looks amazing, fantastic looking shank colour! Sorry if this is a stupid question, but are you finding its all the offspring that are loosing the colour or is it mainly the boys? I read an article recently about an inhibitor of dermal melanin describe by Hutt and that it was sex linked. The females ended up with the willow legs and the boys dipped out, but this was only when they put a bird without willow legs together with one that had them, and since the originals had all willow legs this probably isnt the case. I dont know if you introduced a male or not but I have read that if the male doesnt have the id+ gene mated to a willow legged female the chicks wont be willows. Sorry Im no help at all really! :lol: I hope the answer is a simple one for you. :-D


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Michelle



Oh I think I was just wrong to trust someone with some of my stock and the ones I kept at home throw slate and willow but the willow isn't strong enough to stay beyond 6-8 weeks. The above photos show the mother hen and one cockeral. I've obviously bred better combs but I should of put him back thru the mother.
As it has turned out, you may be right in the sex linking business. Perhaps I have no pool of genes left strong enough to allow mature individuals to display this characteristic in aults. If Rocky gets to this, perhaps he can shed dsome light I have overlooked.


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 Post subject: Re: Willow Legs
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Update: all legs are getting darker and unless they are slow to grow combs I have three pullets. They have the pullet feather pattern on the body but the heads are still downy. The yellow is slowly going darker and is the most likely of the three now to end up willow. The other two will most likely end up slate but still have a slight green tinge to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Willow Legs
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These are two younger chicks (1.5 weeks) showing the different leg colour. I think the chick on the left may be a rooster because it has a different feather pattern starting on the wings. What do you think byhookorchook?

I had to wake them up for this photo and the one on the right has dirty feet but I assure you the yellow colouring is consistent.


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Just got home 10pm. Looksl ike the one on leftwill keep his willow legs
Can't tell from the pics as too small whether the patterns are different
And from the down, looksl ike they are not gold variety that I know.

Q? What are the comb imprints like cos I can't se them either bugga!

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 Post subject: Re: Willow Legs
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Going on observations of the previous batch I think the left chick will end up too dark in the leg and the yellow will turn to willow. I'll send weekly photos so you can see them change (if they do).
I think the colouring is more like the original sicilian than the golden buttercup. I don't think I have any chicks with good combs yet but they all have more happening than the single. I'm not too worried about feather colour at this stage, but I would like to work on shape, combs and the willow legs once I get a flock going.
I purchased a larger incubator the other week so I can turn out a few more chicks. This season will be about getting a breeding starter flock together. Next season I will single mate in the hope of obtaining certain characteristics.


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This one turns out to be gold

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This one turns out brown as in leghorn brown

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This one white on right had perfect comb imprint and willow legs.

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How are the legs turning out Tiger? Its been a while and I was curious.

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