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 Post subject: My pup the chick murderer!!!!
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:47 pm 
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Being the first sunny day we've had since the chicks were born, I took them into the back yard to play (no dogs in there at that stage). My 4yo came out and I asked her to keep an eye on the chicks for a minute while I went to try to trap our wayward ducks (another story!). She is very good with all of the chooks.

Unfortunately, her 3yo brother chose that moment to come into the back yard and let our two miniature pinscher puppies out with him. My 4yo tried desperately to get all the chicks back into their box, but the black & tan dog grabbed a chick before she could save it - and it had to be my first ever Millefleur d'Uccle chick, the most beautiful chick we have ever had! Not one of the chicks that is struggling with crooked toes, but a perfectly healthy baby.

The pup wasn't playing as he was trying to wolf the chick down as he ran away. He finally dropped it and took off out of the yard. By that stage I hoped it was dead and not just injured beyond saving. It was dead. The other pup just stood there watching, obviously lacking the killer instinct that the other one has.

The pups are only 3 months old, and I know that dogs do things like this, but I am finding it very hard to justify keeping the murdering little rat just at the moment. :evil: Horrible, horrible dog.

My little girl was devastated - she said "I tried to save the little chickie before Maus killed it! He had it by the wing!"

Anybody have experience with teaching dogs to leave chickens the hell alone? This is not an easy dog to train. Very hard to get its attention, not very emotional, quick to snap at other dogs (you can see I am finding it hard to be positive about it at the moment - even referring to it as "it").

Any advice would be welcome.

Thanks everyone.

Deb :(

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Sorry to hear about the chick Deb, I cant offer any advice as far as training goes. My pup is afraid of my girls. The ex battery hens pick on her and steal her food.


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We too have had a similar situation about 5 years ago so know exactly how you feel, good thing is they are young enough to train them as we did our 3.


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Oh Deb, I feel so much for your little daughter. She must be devastated as she couldn't save the little chick. I do hope she doesn't have nightmares. I am so sorry for you all.

I am lucky my dogs (2 dobermans and kelpie/border collie croos) are very good with the big chooks (by threat of death by terrible means)but I don't let them near the chicks as the little chorttling sound they make really gets the dogs excited and I don't trust the dogs around the chicks at all. I don't think you can do anything with dogs and especially chicks. It is their natural food source in the wild.

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Gee Debbie, really sorry to hear about your little chick, it is devastating when that happens.

It is hard to train little dogs, Dixie is impossible but thankfully she just likes to make sure the chooks know whos boss if they decide to fight.

Maybe get a pretend chick (mechanical one and put something in there that will explode when the pup grabs it, scare the hell out of it) hmmm well anyway it seemed a good idea at the time I had the thought.

If I think of anything constructive I will post it for you to read.

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Thanks everyone. I have calmed down a bit and am now not so tempted to mulch the dog, at least not straight away.....

CL my little girl is a bit better about it now - she cuddles Maus and then remembers and says "he is a bad dog because he killed the baby chick". She is much more forgiving than me. She asked if we could get another chick like the one that died - it really was a stunning little thing - and luckily we have a few at the hatchery at the moment, one under our little pekin, and some more in cartons to go to the hatchery tomorrow. That should help to cheer her up (and me!).

Deb I did think about buying a frozen day-old chick from the pet shop (one of the reptile food ones that I have seen :shock: ), letting it thaw out and get nice and fluffy again and then spraying it all over with a chilli spray that I have here for stopping horses from chewing rugs. That is if I can bear to do that with a dead chick. That spray is really nasty stuff (my 3yo has had it in his eyes!), so maybe if the chick looks lifelike enough and the pup grabs it that might curb his desire to chase them in future. Sorry if this sounds like cold-hearted revenge - it's really not :oops: , it's just that I really want him to realise he can't eat our babies. I do love Maus, and know that he is just following his natural instinct, but I do want him to stop.

The pup was just so quick, and utterly remorseless. I think the only reason he ran when I screamed at him was because he knew he was going to lose his prize! He is a very hard pup to warm to at times as he seems so emotionless (anthropomorphising I know!!) - I think I will get some professional help in training him as what worked with our Aussie Shepherds isn't going to work with him, I don't think, as he doesn't seem to have that desire to please. Which makes him very hard to call off something as tempting as a fluffy day-old chick.

Obviously prevention is the best measure here, and we will try desperately to keep pups and chicks separate (which I did try to do today :( ), however with 3 young children here and very quick puppies I think we need some training as well.

Thanks for your help.

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Hi Deb,

I know that sound horrid the chilli on a frozen chick but as horrid as it sounds it might work, not sure though, I guess it is one option if puppy does it again.

Like children pups can be pretty quick, your poor little girl must have been very upset, so hopefully with the next hatches you will get some more of these chicks, fingers and toes crossed for you.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Deb.

I have phoned a dog trainer and am waiting for him to ring me back, so we can get some basic obedience training happening.

We have used this guy before and he is really good with the dogs, using only reward-based training.

I was at a hatchery today that sells "reptile food" and I forgot to ask about frozen baby chicks. I have to go out next week to pick up my new babies so maybe I can find out then.

We are expecting some more Millefleur bubs next week, so we are all really looking forward to that.

Thanks again.

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hey deb, i have the same situation with my 5 yr old german shepard, once they get hold of the chciken its impossible to let them let go unless u really hit them ( i know it was a bit harsh but i thought that if you did it, next time he would learn and wont touch it, he now learned his lesson but every now and then he tries to attack them), but i quess its just instinct of them to do soo...when ever im out i just lock them in their avairy until i arive home,, :-D ( dont trust da big bugger)lol....
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Hi chicken lova. I did have an Aussie Shepherd that also used to chase my adult bantams, pulling feathers out everywhere. He did get a smack (I made it seem like a chicken did it!) and was left tied up (very securely) in the hen house with a few chickens circling him to ponder his ways.

That reaction from me definitely worked in his case. This one event completely changed his mind about chasing chickens - he would happily run around the front yard with them but no longer saw them as easy prey. He was a pretty smart dog and very confident (and was also very remorseful at having done something "bad"). I know that sort of thing will not work with the pup I have at the moment as he is way too nervous (and not as smart). I am also not quick enough to be able to catch him at it before he does any damage. He is fine with the adult chooks (because even the bantams are bigger than him) but such a tiny baby chick didn't stand a chance. So I think all I can do is let him make up his own mind that baby chickens taste AWFUL and are not to be eaten!! ;)

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