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 Post subject: Chocolate Silkies
PostPosted: Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:00 am 
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Hello new to forum. I have been busily reading a couple of new book on poultry and one talks about "chocolate" as a colour and has now got me thinking of the possibility of chocolate silkies. Firstly though do they already exist? If not how would I go about making them? The book doesn't tell me.


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 Post subject: Re: Chocolate Silkies
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I don't think we have the chocolate gene in Australia unfortunately. :cry: If we do it would be very rare and I can't say I've ever seen anything advertisied as being chocolate.

Although, in saying that Im sure I read recently about someone working on Chocolate Orpingtons I think it was.

There are some chocolate muscovies I've seen on overseas websites and they are utterly gorgeous!!


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There are two genes that can make a chocolate coloured bird
Sex linked recessive chocolate ,which we do not have in Australia.

Dun, an allele of Dominant White. This acts in the same way as Blue. One copy gives a Chocolate colour, two copies gives a Splash . It has been found in Pit Game.


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So my search should start with trying to find a Dunn Pit Game? Would I retain the gene when trying to breed back to the silkie form?


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Dunn and Chocolate are 2 different genes
refer to next posts

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 Post subject: Re: Chocolate Silkies
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[smilie=offtopic.gif] slightly - as I am going to talk abt a different breed BUT
VERY on topic regards the colour

I specialise in Orpingtons and do have the chocolate gene in one line and do have some live Choc birds = NO no pictures until I am ready however they have been seen ‘in the flesh’ by another member of this forum = THAT member now has Pekins that I believe have Chocolate in them as well = I found these birds by accident and acquired some [11] and made sure this member now has them in their possession – this line is over 60 years old and has been bred [like my Orps] as a closed community

Read on folks - - - -

The Chocolate Orpington is a relatively new colour of Orpington and currently to my knowledge only exists in bantam size in the UK.

I have been told the chocolate gene responsible for the chocolate colour was recognised by the late Dr. Clive Carefoot around 1993-1994. However I have had Chocolate birds appear randomly for longer than this. It is a rare sex-linked recessive gene that is basically a dilution of black pigment. This means that out of a pair of genes, the female will be chocolate with just one copy of the gene but the male requires two copies of the choc gene to look chocolate. This also means that black males can look black, but be carrying the chocolate gene.
The Chocolate Orpingtons are slow to feather up. Thought to be a direct result of the choc gene. Black Orpingtons are slow at feathering up but Chocolate Orps are even slower.
Chocolate Orpingtons breed true - but there are some breeding combinations worth noting:
- Chocolate Male X Chocolate Female = 100% Chocolate
- Black Male X Chocolate Female = 50% Black Males carrying Chocolate, 50% Black Females
- Chocolate Male X Black Female = 50% Black Males carrying Chocolate, 50% Chocolate Females
- Black Male carrying Chocolate X Chocolate Female = 25% Chocolate Males, 25% Black Males carrying Chocolate, 25% Chocolate Females, 25% Black Females
- Black Male carrying Chocolate X Black Female = 25% Black Males carrying Chocolate, 25% Black Males, 25% Chocolate Females, 25% Black Females.

# The standard for Chocolate in OZ is referred to the Chocolate Runner Duck – refer to the APS

You could breed them into Silkie but you would need birds carrying the Choc gene to do it BUT no one in OZ is selling birds with the Choc gene in them at this time

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Chocolate is sex linked but Dun is an allele of Dominant White

Dun is an allele of Dominant White, order of dominance is I^D Dun, I^S Smokey, I Dominant White & i+ coloured.
Dun acts in the same way as Blue. Homozygous Dun I^D/I^D gives a Splash, White with odd brown feathers ranging through to a light milky chocolate fawn colour, heterozygous I^D/i+ gives a chocolate brown feather ranging from dark chocolate through to a khaki brown.

Sex linked chocolate is a true breeding dark brown chocolate colour. Homozygous females choc/- are a dark chocolate brown, as are homozygous males choc/choc males, heterozygous males choc/Choc+ are black.
Chocolate chicks have normal black hatch down but feather out chocolate brown.

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Wonderful information soozorps I have printed it so I can take my time reading through, thank you for such details. Anne


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 Post subject: Re: Chocolate Silkies
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I know I just said this in a private message reply to you but, thank you very much, your knowledge is wonderful and helpful and I appreciate you are willing to share the knowledge to help. All too often people won't share what they know which is quite sad really.

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