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Identification of Poor Layers
After the laying flock has reached peak egg production and production begins to decrease, you should occasionally check your flock for poor producing hens. These poor producers have highly pigmented (yellow) beaks and shanks.
As the hen produces eggs, she diverts yellow color from certain portions of her body and deposits it into the yolks of the eggs. Bleaching of various parts of the hen's body is a very good indicator of the time the hen has been in production. The loss of color is easily seen in yellow-skinned breeds such as the white leghorns and birds on diets containing sources of the coloring agents. In the white-skinned breeds the bleaching effect is less pronounced and more difficult to detect.


Bleaching of Yellow Coloring Body Part Time After First Egg
Vent 4-7 days
Eye Ring 7-10 days
Ear Lobes (white leghorn) 14-21 days
Base of Beak 4-6 weeks
Tip of Beak 6-8 weeks
Bottom of Feet 8-10 weeks
Front of Shanks 15-18 weeks
Rear of Shanks 20-24 weeks
Hock Joint about 24 weeks




The vent is the first site of color bleaching. When a pullet begins to lay, the color fades from the vent within the first week of lay. A good producing hen will have a white, pink, or bluish-white vent.

The eye rings start to bleach soon after the vent and are usually completely bleached within the first two weeks of lay. In leghorn strains the eye ring bleaching is closely followed by bleaching of the ear lobes.

The beak is the first significant portion of the body generally used to judge the bleaching effect of egg production. The beak will lose its color, progressing from the base to the tip. It takes from four to eight weeks for the beak to bleach after the hen begins laying eggs. The beak will often have a striped appearance then. The lower beak loses color more rapidly than the upper beak. If is often used as a bleaching indicator when the upper beak has a heavy brown or black pigment. A hen whose beak is fully pigmented has not laid for at least four weeks.

Bleaching of pigment from the shanks is a good indicator of a long production time. The pigment bleaches from the shanks in this order: bottom of feet, front of shank, back of shank, and hock joint. The shanks have no coloring between two and six months after the onset of continuous lay.

When the hen ceases to lay, the body parts are recolored in the same order as they were bleached, with the vent first and the shanks last. The speed at which the color returns depends on the type of feed and the state of the bird's health, but it usually returns in about half the time required to bleach.

This info was plagurised from a mate of mine " Geoff Cox " thanks very much for sharing it Geoff , Ian

Characteristics Indicating Ability to Lay Character Layer Non-Layer

Comb and Wattles- Large, bright red, glossy Small, dull, shriveled
Head - Neat, refined Beefy, weak
Eye - Bright, prominent Dull, sunken
Eye ring - Bleached Yellow tinted
Beak - Bleached Yellow
Abdomen - Deep, soft, pliable Shallow, tough, tight
Pubic bones - Flexible, wide apart Stiff, close together
Vent - Large, moist, bleached Small, dry, puckered, yellow


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Thanks for posting Ian ;)


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Great post, thanks to you and Geoff.

So if you can detect this early is it best to seperate from the rooster and do you put them on a higher protein diet and/or increase the vitamin intake to get them back on the lay quicker?

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The article is referring to a hens laying cycle , and culling out layers who are finished , so I don't think diet will have a great impact , as the hens spoken about are all " Well Fed Healthy Hens" It is a great tool for identifying "non-Layers" when purchasing new hens , but specifically aimed at culling out non productive hens , (it costs the same amount to feed a productive one as a non productive one) Geoff will be up in the next week or so , and I will ask him the question, Ian


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Thanks Ian, that's really fascinating.

I was told that a poor layer sometimes has a pale &/or flopped over comb but maybe that's an "old wive's tale". :-? Does anyone know whether that's true or not?
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I think their combs flop over with age, as i just received some ex battery hens and their combs are flopped over


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wow never new that :oops:


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Hi Margie , You are right , it's definately an old wives tale or in my case an old Mothers tale and a good one , :lol: :lol: it is a good indicator of a hen that is laying , A glossy red healthy comb is always something to look for when purchasing a laying hen , I have added a section at the bottom of my original post that Geoff sent me , it tells a few other indicators of a hen that is laying, Ian


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PS A floppy comb normally comes from the breed , A campines comb will flop even in pullets and young hens ;)


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dont leghorns also have very floppy combs from a young age?


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